1 2 3 4 KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD 5 Regular Meeting 6 Monday, October 18, 2010 7 8:30 a.m. 8 Airport Terminal Conference Room 9 1877 Airport Loop Road 10 Kerrville, Texas 11 12 MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: 13 Stephen King, President Fred Vogt, Vice-President Tom Moser 14 Mark Cowden Corey Walters 15 16 AIRPORT BOARD STAFF PRESENT: Bruce McKenzie, Airport Manager 17 Laurie DeJohn-Ermey, Executive Assistant 18 COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: 19 Bill Williams, Commissioner Pct. 2 Jonathan Letz, Commissioner Pct. 3 20 Jeannie Hargis, Auditor 21 CITY STAFF PRESENT: 22 Mike Erwin, Finance Director Kim Meismer, Director of General Operations 23 24 VISITORS: Ilse Bailey, Airport attorney 25 Stephen Drane, private hangar owner 2 1 I N D E X October 18, 2010 2 PAGE 3 CALLED TO ORDER 4 1. VISITORS' FORUM - 5 2. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: 2A Approve minutes of September 13, 2010 Airport 6 Board meeting 3 7 2B Monthly Financials (Mike Erwin) 4 8 2C Airport Liability Insurance (Kim Meismer) 8 9 2D New Airport Directory Signs (Bruce McKenzie) 10 10 3. INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION: 3A Phase II Construction Update 23 11 3B Fire Flow Enhancement (Water Line) Update 25 12 3C Master Plan Update 27 13 4. EXECUTIVE SESSION (None) -- 14 5. ADJOURNED 35 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 10-18-10 Airport Board 3 1 On Monday, October 18, 2010, at 8:30 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board was 3 held in the Airport Terminal Conference Room, Louis Schreiner 4 Field, Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were 5 had: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 MR. KING: I'll call this October 18th meeting of 8 the Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board to order. 9 Visitors' Forum, Item Number 1. At this time, any person 10 with business not scheduled on the agenda may speak to the 11 Airport Board. No deliberation or action can be taken on 12 these items because the Open Meetings Act requires an item be 13 posted on an agenda 72 hours before the meeting. Visitors 14 are asked to limit presentations to three minutes. Would 15 anyone like to speak? No one, all right. Item Number 2, 16 discussion and possible action. Approve the minutes of the 17 September 13th board meeting. Any discussion? 18 MR. MOSER: I do. Very well done. I don't have 19 anything that I can add, delete, modify. 20 MR. KING: At all. 21 MR. MOSER: And, I mean, everything was captured. 22 MR. KING: Motion? 23 MR. MOSER: I make a motion to approve the minutes 24 as presented. 25 MR. COWDEN: Second. 10-18-10 Airport Board 4 1 MR. KING: All in favor? 2 (Motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 3 MR. KING: 4-0. Financials. Mike? 4 MR. ERWIN: Yes, sir. 5 MR. KING: Item 2B. 6 MR. ERWIN: Go to Page 6 just real quick. Your 7 cash balance at the start of September is 275,000. You had 8 revenues of 47,5, expenditures of 52,6. Ending cash balance 9 at 270. You have a reserve of 49,425 as detailed, leaving 10 you an available cash balance in your operating of $220,000. 11 If you flip over to Page 12 -- the information pages, 7 12 through 11, are just printouts of the detail information. 13 You begin the month with 830,000. You got expenditures of 14 336,000. On your capital projects -- 15 MR. MOSER: Let me go back. 16 MR. ERWIN: Yes, sir? 17 MR. MOSER: Let me compliment Bruce. There's not a 18 single thing in here over 100 percent in the budget, and 19 overall, it came in the year under budget, everything, so 20 Bruce gets an "attaboy." Very well done. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Appreciate it. 22 MR. ERWIN: No, that's a good thing. 23 MR. MOSER: Yeah. (Laughter.) That's good. 24 MR. ERWIN: That's what we talked about. 25 MR. MOSER: There's not a single item in there that 10-18-10 Airport Board 5 1 was, you know, in a group that was over 100 percent. Good 2 job. Go ahead, Mike. 3 MR. ERWIN: All right. Going back to Page 12, 4 leaving an ending cash balance of $496,000. That -- and then 5 if you look at the money that's allocated for unfinished 6 projects, -- 7 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. ERWIN: -- showing a negative balance of 9 $1,779. One thing to remember as we go forward, the City 10 left 75,000 in for its RAMP grant for '11, '12, and '13, and 11 the balance has already started to be -- started to get into 12 the balance. 13 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 14 MR. ERWIN: So -- okay. Then, finally, on Page 16, 15 the request was this past year, as we've identified 16 projects -- and there -- and the contract amount, there have 17 been certain times where money has been transferred back to 18 the City and/or the County, and the request was for some 19 information on those items, and that's what we tried to 20 provide on Page 16. The first one is to relocate the 1230 21 taxiway that you can take a look at. We returned 75,000 to 22 the City and 75,000 to the County. It still leaves cash 23 funded to-date of $931,000. On the water line, we've also -- 24 we transferred back to the City the 72,000, and the County 25 made their contribution in July of the 277,000, so there's 10-18-10 Airport Board 6 1 cash funded to-date of 629,000. Both of these numbers are 2 above what the current project or current budget -- current 3 project contract is. And then you have the other ones down 4 below. And this was just trying to provide some information 5 as we're having that discussion about what money was moved at 6 what time. 7 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. ERWIN: And -- 9 MR. KING: That's all we have out. 10 MR. COWDEN: Overspending is master plan? 11 MR. ERWIN: And RAMP grant. 12 MR. COWDEN: And RAMP grant. 13 MR. ERWIN: Yes, sir. Not much, just -- 14 MR. COWDEN: Slightly. 15 MR. ERWIN: Yes. Yes, sir. And I was talking with 16 Jeannie, and I think we're at the point now, with the 17 September expenditures coming in, that we can go ahead and 18 cut a check this Friday to remove -- to move all the funds 19 over to the County for their care going forward. 20 MR. COWDEN: Most of the payables? 21 MR. ERWIN: Yes, sir. Unless anyone has an issue 22 or a problem with us going ahead and doing that at this time. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question, Mike. The -- I'm 24 assuming the City has gone through, because there's been over 25 the year going back -- or last two years going back into some 10-18-10 Airport Board 7 1 of the funds, the City's gone through all of the projects for 2 how far back to make sure that all of the funds have been, I 3 guess -- 4 MR. ERWIN: Sandra Yarbrough, on a monthly basis, 5 updates the spreadsheet -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 7 MR. ERWIN: -- on all the projects, airport and 8 everyone else. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, I mean, I guess I'm 10 referring more to -- I think it was last year, there was 11 $160,000 found, and then there was -- not "found." You know, 12 unspent from previous years' projects. But all of the 13 previous years' projects, far as the City can best figure, 14 that all those moneys have been -- 15 MR. ERWIN: Yes. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- accounted for? 17 MR. ERWIN: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And they are either refunded to 19 the entities, given to the airport, or -- 20 MR. ERWIN: Yes. I think -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: These are the last two big 22 projects that are listed here? 23 MR. ERWIN: Mm-hmm. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 25 MR. KING: Looks good. Thanks, Mike. From what I 10-18-10 Airport Board 8 1 heard, y'all have done a great job helping Bruce -- Bruce 2 move back and forth and everything, going back over. We 3 thank y'all for everything. 4 MR. ERWIN: You bet. 5 MR. KING: Been real good. Pretty smooth 6 transition so far. Any question about it? All right. 7 Motion to approve? 8 MR. COWDEN: So moved. 9 MR. MOSER: Second. 10 MR. KING: Discussion? All in favor? 11 (Motion carried unanimously, 4-0.) 12 MR. KING: 4-0. Okay. Airport liability 13 insurance. Kim? Item Number 2C. 14 MS. MEISMER: Yes, sir. In the management services 15 agreement with the County and the Airport Board, on Page 4 of 16 that, under Insurance, it says the County will cover the 17 airport under its basic property casualty premises liability 18 insurance policies. I just wanted to let y'all know that due 19 to unforeseen circumstances, the County was unable to provide 20 the liability insurance, and therefore it will come under the 21 city insurance. And this is an action item, just in case you 22 wanted to consult with your attorney, Ms. Bailey, to find out 23 if -- get her recommendation on if you wanted to amend your 24 management services agreement. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a comment. It's not 10-18-10 Airport Board 9 1 that the County couldn't find it. We couldn't find it as 2 cheap. 3 MR. KING: Oh, really? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It was -- the cost was cheaper 5 to use the City's policy than to go and get a different 6 policy. 7 MS. HARGIS: And the cost for that is $2,274. 8 MR. KING: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the other -- I think it was 10 almost $2,000 more, wasn't it? 11 MS. HARGIS: 4,100. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Total. It's 4,100 versus 13 2,200, so -- 14 MR. KING: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- a savings to -- 16 MR. KING: So where do we go to get that money? 17 Out of your contract? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. We'll pay the City. 19 MR. KING: Okay, good. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For the -- I don't know how. 21 That's between Jeannie and Mike to figure out. 22 MS. HARGIS: We've already got the check ready to 23 go. 24 MR. KING: Who's the provider? 25 MS. HARGIS: Texas Municipal League, the same 10-18-10 Airport Board 10 1 provider that we've had for years. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's interesting, just for 3 information, Municipal League does it; TAC does not. 4 MS. HARGIS: Right. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which is the equivalent of the 6 Texas Municipal League for counties. So, we had to go to 7 private. That's why the cost came in higher. Which is 8 surprising that TAC can't, but for whatever reason, they 9 don't. 10 MR. WALTERS: Do we need to amend our agreement? 11 MS. BAILEY: I don't think so. We are providing it 12 in the sense that we're paying for it. We're just providing 13 it by virtue of the -- using the city's services to go 14 through T.M.L. instead of TAC. So, I don't feel strongly 15 about it. Maybe if we got to a point where we were amending 16 the agreement for some other reason, we might want to just 17 add that in, but I don't think it's important enough to go 18 through a whole amendment at this time. 19 MR. KING: Good. Appreciate y'all working together 20 on that. That was a good way to save money. All right. 21 Item 2D, airport -- new airport signs. Bruce? 22 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. At the back of your handouts, 23 I've got schematic and aerial photographs of these. We 24 propose to put two new signs up. Now that the Airport Loop 25 Road is complete, we can begin the process of putting a new 10-18-10 Airport Board 11 1 sign up, and the larger sign is all detailed here. It's an 2 8-foot by 11-foot sign, everyone's name on it that's in -- 3 that is part -- belongs to us. And the last page of this has 4 two yellow X's on it. That's where we propose to put the 5 signs, which -- 6 MR. MOSER: Which sign goes where? 7 MR. McKENZIE: The larger sign will go in the lower 8 left-hand corner. 9 MR. MOSER: This is the larger? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, 8-by-11. Yes, sir. That 11 will go on Airport Loop Road just prior to Johnson Loop 12 intersection. 13 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 14 MR. McKENZIE: And the smaller sign, which is a 15 4-by-10, will go right in front of the terminal up here as 16 you turn off of Airport Loop Road, with directions as to who 17 -- where you need to turn to get to whomever business 18 you're -- 19 MR. MOSER: So that ugly Kerrville Aviation sign -- 20 MR. McKENZIE: Will go away. 21 MR. MOSER: -- will go away? 22 MR. McKENZIE: It will be history. The letters -- 23 now, the bottom of these signs, we're going to put Kerrville 24 Airport on the bottom of the sign as well. We've got it on 25 here twice already. So, we put Louis Schreiner Field on 10-18-10 Airport Board 12 1 that, so we can spread this out a little bit anyway, since it 2 is Louis Schreiner Field. 3 MR. MOSER: That'll confuse everybody. 4 MR. McKENZIE: This is the type of letters that it 5 will be. 6 MR. COWDEN: Where are these letters going to be? 7 MR. McKENZIE: These letters will be at the bottom. 8 This sign will be made out of this material, which is marine 9 duraply overlay, and it's waterproof. And these plates will 10 be on it, will be attached to it like this. 11 MR. KING: We can take them off and put them back? 12 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, if anything moves. 13 MR. COWDEN: How do they attach? 14 MR. McKENZIE: We're going to put -- Mark, when we 15 build this rock base, we're going to put square tubing in it, 16 4-inch square tubing going up, and then bolt into it, the 17 square tubing. 18 MR. COWDEN: These will attach -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: Wood screws on here. 20 MR. COWDEN: Oh, screws. Okay. 21 MR. MOSER: Into the board. 22 MR. McKENZIE: The cost for the big sign is $2,865. 23 The smaller sign is $1,025. That's excluding this rock base. 24 I haven't located a rock mason to do that, but they're all 25 over the place, but that couldn't cost -- I'm thinking $1,500 10-18-10 Airport Board 13 1 for both of these, the bottoms of them. 2 MR. WALTERS: Going back to this material, what's 3 the life of this material, that wood? 4 MR. McKENZIE: It's duraply, Corey. It's like they 5 use when you're building a boat. So I don't know. I didn't 6 ask Guadalupe Signs what the life of it would be, but this 7 will have another coat or two coats of paint on this as well 8 before this goes on it. 9 MR. KING: How about the edges? That's what I'd be 10 concerned about, the edges. Will they be exposed? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Well, it'll have coats of paint on 12 it. It will look like this. I can't answer that; I don't 13 know how long -- I didn't ask them what the life of it was. 14 MR. MOSER: You say it's like boats? Maybe it's a 15 marine type of wood. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Duraply is what it's called. 17 MR. KING: Who's on the sign? Is everybody on 18 the -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: Everyone. 20 MR. KING: Steve Drane's not on here. You didn't 21 want to be on here? 22 MR. DRANE: No. 23 MR. McKENZIE: He doesn't do business out here. 24 MR. KING: What about Brinkman? 25 MR. McKENZIE: He doesn't do business out here. 10-18-10 Airport Board 14 1 MR. KING: Well, they're one of our tenants. 2 MR. McKENZIE: We can certainly put them on there. 3 MR. KING: I think you have to ask them. I know -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: We can put them on there. 5 MR. KING: I think you have to ask them and see. 6 If they're paying rent -- I mean, I'm sure they may not want 7 to be on here. 8 MR. McKENZIE: I'll get with Charlie and see. 9 MR. KING: But I think you have to give them an 10 option, 'cause people are paying rent out here. I mean -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: I agree. 12 MR. KING: Steve, do you want to be on here? Okay. 13 All right. 14 MR. DRANE: Thank you. 15 MR. WALTERS: Who designed this? The sign company? 16 MR. McKENZIE: The sign company and that lady 17 sitting right there, Laurie. 18 MR. WALTERS: I'd like to find out -- I mean, I 19 just hate -- I mean, this is a permanent sign. I'd hate to 20 use wood. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 22 MR. WALTERS: I mean -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. We can see what the 24 alternatives are, and there are many. 25 MR. WALTERS: I would suggest that we look at the 10-18-10 Airport Board 15 1 alternatives, rather than -- using something other than wood. 2 I mean, unless it's got a -- 3 MR. COWDEN: Might figure out the -- 4 MR. WALTERS: -- 25-year life or something. 5 MR. COWDEN: -- cost probably a bit. 6 MR. McKENZIE: I'll check. 7 MR. KING: See if they got a metal. 8 MR. WALTERS: That's what I would suggest. 9 MR. KING: And those little signs there, you could 10 just magnetically put them -- those little pieces there, 11 magnetic on the back of it. I mean, it's got -- I'm kind of 12 like Corey; I hate to put this thing up, and five years from 13 now it's falling down. 14 MR. WALTERS: Well, the fact that that wood starts 15 to warp or something. 16 MR. KING: Or rot, or -- 17 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. We'll certainly look into 18 that. 19 MR. MOSER: I'd look at it that the marine plywood 20 is probably good. 21 MR. KING: The edges are not going to be sealed; 22 that's what I'm kind of concerned about. It's not laminated. 23 If it was laminated on the edges, but I don't think it's 24 laminated on the edges. 25 MR. WALTERS: I've got a, you know, marine 10-18-10 Airport Board 16 1 plywood -- got a boat that's got, you know, a marine plywood 2 floor, and it's, you know, rotted out after about 15 years. 3 MR. MOSER: Oh. 4 MR. KING: Take a look at the options on it, Bruce. 5 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 6 MR. KING: How big is this one? 7 MR. McKENZIE: The big one is 8 foot wide and 11 8 feet tall. The smaller one that will go in front of the 9 terminal is 4 feet by 10 feet. 10 MR. MOSER: I suggest we let Bruce look at it and, 11 say, figure out how to make it good for 20 years, whatever, 12 and then if it's within, you know, 20 or 30 percent of what 13 he's got -- 14 MR. COWDEN: Maybe we can figure out -- do a bid 15 for rock. 16 MR. KING: Where's the big one going to go? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Big one goes to your left. 18 MR. KING: We got right-of-way right there? 19 MR. McKENZIE: We own this property. 20 MR. KING: We own over here pretty far. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 22 MR. KING: All right. 23 MR. McKENZIE: This is also RAMP-eligible, so -- 24 MR. KING: Oh, it is? 25 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 10-18-10 Airport Board 17 1 MR. KING: You don't want to block those people. 2 MR. McKENZIE: I've already turned all the 3 applications in to the City. They're working it now and 4 checking to make sure that there's no eligibility problems. 5 I've been talking to those folks. 6 MR. MOSER: There's no lighting on it? 7 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, no lighting. They've -- 8 MR. WALTERS: How did we come up with this location 9 for the big sign? 10 MR. McKENZIE: The reason we decided to put it down 11 there was because, if you'll look at this, you have a long 12 straightaway here; you're coming into an "S" curve. That's 13 one issue. The second issue is you're coming into an 14 intersection. The third issue is that it goes to 35 miles an 15 hour right here. You're looking at several different things, 16 is the reason I decided to back up and put it right here. 17 The reason I didn't put it here is because there's a 3-to-1 18 slope right here. 19 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 20 MR. McKENZIE: And we can certainly build it. It 21 will be more costly, but it's going to look a little 22 different. And it might look fine, but we can certainly put 23 it down here. But you just come through an intersection, a 24 double curve, and a speed limit -- 25 MR. MOSER: I like the location. 10-18-10 Airport Board 18 1 MR. McKENZIE: -- sign, but we can put it wherever 2 you want it. If you think it's better down here, that's fine 3 too. 4 MR. KING: I guess your thinking is that the sign 5 at the entrance gets you into the airport. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 7 MR. KING: Tells you where the airport is, and this 8 sign here tells you -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: This one will tell you who's here. 10 The third one will tell you where you turn once you turn into 11 the terminal. 12 MR. MOSER: Once you turn into the terminal, you 13 move your location closer to the terminal, as opposed to, 14 like, where Kerrville Aviation is? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Move it down just a little bit. 16 MR. COWDEN: Doesn't it need to be over here? Or 17 are you talking about down here? 18 MR. MOSER: Right now it's further to the right. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Joey's sign's right here. Talking 20 about -- I just moved it down a little bit, just before you 21 come through the gate. 22 MR. MOSER: Yeah. 23 MR. WALTERS: My only question about it, where is 24 it that -- that speed limit's still 45, correct? Isn't it? 25 MR. McKENZIE: 45, and it goes to 35 right here in 10-18-10 Airport Board 19 1 this intersection, where you get to the intersection. 2 MR. WALTERS: So, I mean, I was wondering -- 3 MR. COWDEN: Get back closer to the highway? 4 MR. WALTERS: -- or thinking about going closer to 5 the gates, so that -- where you've already made that curve 6 and then you've already slowed down, and then now you're 7 starting to look for, "Where do I need to turn?" And then 8 you have the sign to tell you where to -- which gate to go 9 to. I mean, I was looking if there was a place past -- 10 MR. COWDEN: Turn the corner. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Once you get around the second 12 corner? 13 MR. WALTERS: -- past the curve. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. That's -- that's still -- 15 that's not airport property, but it's in the city 16 right-of-way. I can get with those folks and see if we can 17 put it -- 18 MR. WALTERS: I mean, it's just up for discussion. 19 MR. KING: Sure. 20 MR. McKENZIE: We can certainly do that. 21 MR. WALTERS: I mean, it's not something that has 22 to be decided today. We can go out there and look at it, 23 drive it, see what you think. And I would probably look to 24 drive it myself to see. But that's just my concern, is 25 you're at 45 and you're showing that long straightaway, and I 10-18-10 Airport Board 20 1 don't know that -- 2 MR. KING: I see what you're saying. They may not 3 see the -- you really won't be able to slow down there to see 4 what gate -- 5 MR. WALTERS: Right. 6 MR. KING: -- what gate you turn into. 7 MR. McKENZIE: We can put it anywhere you want. 8 MR. KING: Let's do that; let's look at it. I'd 9 like to drive it too and see where it -- what it looks like. 10 And give your feedback to Bruce, either by e-mail or by 11 voice. 12 MR. McKENZIE: And we'll proceed, if it's the 13 board's desire to go ahead and do this. 14 MR. WALTERS: What about power for lighting of this 15 sign? 16 MR. McKENZIE: There's no -- no power here, Corey, 17 and there's power up here. There's no lighting. My thought 18 process was that we need it in the daytime. At night, those 19 folks aren't usually coming out here looking for the avionics 20 place. Generally, you're not. It's a lot cheaper if we just 21 build it like this. 22 MR. KING: Who's S.T.B. Avionics? 23 MR. McKENZIE: That is Ronnie Solomon's new 24 company. He started another company. 25 MR. KING: Oh, okay. Okay. 10-18-10 Airport Board 21 1 MR. McKENZIE: And he also leased Suite 106 across 2 the hall from us right here. 3 MR. KING: Yeah, you told me that. 4 MR. WALTERS: Let me -- as far as power, if we 5 moved it closer to Ronnie Dugosh's gate, would we have 6 availability of power there? 7 MR. McKENZIE: There's a high line -- there's 8 power, Corey, right beside that road right there, yeah. It's 9 aerial right across here, though. There is power there, yes. 10 MR. WALTERS: Just wondering about -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: It's adjacent to it. 12 MR. WALTERS: -- putting some sort of light at the 13 base of it for some sort of floodlighting. I mean, it 14 doesn't have to be internally lit, but just getting some 15 power there. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Shine some light on it. It could be 17 done. It's a lot cheaper than -- 18 MR. KING: What side of the road is it on? 19 MR. McKENZIE: Be on the right-hand side. 20 MR. KING: The power is across -- 21 MR. COWDEN: Across. 22 MR. McKENZIE: On the aerial, it starts up right 23 back here, this high. It's on the right-hand side of the 24 road back there. 25 MR. WALTERS: The side we need. 10-18-10 Airport Board 22 1 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 2 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 3 MR. KING: At least maybe if we put it up there, if 4 we -- if we decide to put it up there, at least we have the 5 option of putting power on it. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 7 MR. KING: If there's power available. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Like Corey said, put a floodlight on 9 it. 10 MR. KING: Don't know what the cost is. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Put a photo cell on it. Okay. So 12 option, lights. 13 MR. MOSER: And the size of the letters, the sign 14 company recommended 4-inch or 5-inch letters being done? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm, yes, sir. On this sign -- 16 let's see. On the larger sign, he's got 5-inch letters, and 17 then 3-inch letters. Two different sizes. 18 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 19 MR. McKENZIE: On the different plates. 20 MR. WALTERS: Even with the size of those letters, 21 I mean, that's another reason I think that 45 miles an hour 22 is -- 23 MR. MOSER: Pretty slow. 24 MR. KING: They should be slowing down right there. 25 All right. Let's -- 10-18-10 Airport Board 23 1 MR. MOSER: You got 2-inch letters on the -- on the 2 other sign. 3 MR. KING: Why don't we individually -- let's take 4 a look at it and see what the position is on the thing, and 5 then -- it's not something we got to do today. Let's report 6 back to Bruce, kind of give our opinion on it, decide where 7 we want to go, okay? And then talk to those other guys, just 8 to be sure, out of courtesy. I don't want to put a sign up 9 and then, all of a sudden, somebody comes up and is not on 10 it. 11 MR. McKENZIE: I'll ask Charlie Thomas and see 12 which way to go. 13 MR. KING: I guess we should put something on 14 there -- shouldn't you put something on there about where the 15 T-hangars are? 16 MR. McKENZIE: Right here. 17 MR. KING: Oh. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Gate 4, last gate. 19 MR. KING: Really? Good idea. Okay, we beat that 20 to death. Anything else on that? Good. Item 3, 21 information/discussion. Phase II construction update. 22 MR. McKENZIE: We continue to work at night. We're 23 not working Saturday -- Saturday nights or Sunday nights, but 24 we're getting in at night, and anticipate that to last 25 probably two more weeks. They're laying in their lime now, 10-18-10 Airport Board 24 1 hydrated lime. We'll be cutting loop tops this week. The 2 electrician is probably 95 percent complete with his part of 3 the project. Then we'll go back to working days, and we'll 4 be working the base material. They're going to start hauling 5 base material on Taxiway Alpha, continue to haul base 6 material in. We should have one more night closure, if 7 everything goes according to plan, at the very end, because 8 we've got to pave the two new connectors, Alpha and Bravo. 9 We have to back up right next to the runway. We're going to 10 do that at night as well, if we have favorable temperatures. 11 In the daytime we can pave the straightaway, 'cause we're out 12 of the freeze zone. So, we're still at a couple weeks worth 13 of night work out of that. We let folks in here at night. 14 Contractor's been very amenable to letting me take the X's 15 down and letting folks in with larger aircraft, let them go 16 back to work. They don't have to do that. 17 MR. KING: Is he is not closing every night? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Been closing every night that he 19 works, yes, sir. Starting at 8:00. 20 MR. KING: But he isn't working every -- 21 MR. McKENZIE: He's been working every night. 22 MR. KING: I came back, and the X's -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: Not on Saturday and Sunday nights, 24 they're not. Monday through Friday night, the X's are out at 25 8 o'clock. Now, the two weeks that it rained two weeks ago, 10-18-10 Airport Board 25 1 those weeks we didn't work at all 'cause it was too wet. 2 MR. MOSER: When is it scheduled to be completed? 3 MR. McKENZIE: Scheduled to be completed in April, 4 but he says he can get out of here by the first of the year. 5 MR. MOSER: Wow. 6 MR. McKENZIE: If the weather -- 7 MR. COWDEN: If the weather cooperates with you. 8 MR. McKENZIE: And the temperature, when it comes 9 time to lay hot mix, has to be 50 degrees and rising, the 10 ambient air temperature. So far it's done real well. Good 11 contractor. 12 MR. KING: Good. All right. Item 3B, fire flow 13 enhancement, water line. 14 MR. McKENZIE: I'll show you this on the map. 15 That's probably easier than trying to explain. We can see 16 what we completed and what we haven't. They've completed 17 this part here from -- this is Mooney, across the field. 18 This pipe -- this line is in. The line is in from here -- 19 this is the T-hangars. From here down to the corner, all the 20 way up to here, the line is in. Today -- Corey knows about 21 this, 'cause I sent he and Willie an e-mail -- right in front 22 of Brinkman's hangar today they're going to put the 12-inch 23 line, but they can get the aircraft out on the west side of 24 the hangar if they need to, so they're not isolated. This is 25 what we're starting today. This hasn't been done yet at all, 10-18-10 Airport Board 26 1 and going toward the T-hangars. Friday they completed the 2 change order that you approved last week that we talked 3 about -- last month, rather. This is complete now -- 4 basically complete. They haven't put the valves in yet. 5 350-foot line is down to there. Flushmatic fire hydrant, 6 they finished that. So, what they lack is all this. They 7 lack all of this. And they just did their open bore last 8 week, so this tie-in's been done under this road and taxiway, 9 and they need to tie this in here. They haven't done this 10 yet. We've had two water outages when we did this. We let 11 folks know we should have two more water outages for probably 12 four or five hours during this process, but we're getting -- 13 it's moving along ahead of schedule as well. 14 MR. COWDEN: Thirty days? 15 MR. McKENZIE: He said by Thanksgiving, he'd be 16 gone. 17 MR. MOSER: Good deal. Wow. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Like I say, they've stayed out of 19 everybody's way over there. They wanted to do the tough part 20 over here. They're not in anybody's way over there. So, 21 that's what -- that's what's been completed to-date, 22 including the change order right here. 23 MR. KING: That's pretty good. They're pretty 24 quick. 25 MR. MOSER: Got after it. 10-18-10 Airport Board 27 1 MR. KING: Pretty good contractor? 2 MR. McKENZIE: Real good. They're a good utility 3 contractor. 4 MR. KING: Good. All right, master plan update. 5 MR. McKENZIE: Okay, the master plan update. Those 6 of us that are pilots all got a postcard. Did you get one of 7 these? Did you get one? From Garver? 8 MR. KING: I got one from D and D Electrical about 9 my heater. (Laughter.) Looks a lot like that. 10 MR. McKENZIE: They sent I don't know how many -- 11 MR. KING: I didn't get from one from Garver. 12 MR. McKENZIE: -- to pilots in the area, asking for 13 your opinion of our airport, and how to go through our web 14 site and give your opinion. And if you are a pilot -- did 15 you get one? 16 MR. COWDEN: I don't remember seeing it. 17 MR. McKENZIE: They pulled it off the F.A.A. 18 website. If you're licensed, you should have got one. 19 Anyway -- 20 MR. KING: Did you get one from D and D Electric? 21 MR. COWDEN: I got one from somebody like this. I 22 don't remember; I tossed it. Maybe it was that. 23 MR. McKENZIE: This is part of the master plan 24 process. They're asking for people's opinions of our airport 25 and what we can do to improve it. 10-18-10 Airport Board 28 1 MR. KING: Oh, really? 2 MR. McKENZIE: That was sent out about two and a 3 half weeks ago. On the 15th of November, at our next 4 meeting, we will have a project meeting with -- Perry Havenar 5 will be here from Garver. Michelle will be here. 6 MR. KING: Next month? 7 MR. McKENZIE: Next month. 8 MR. MOSER: After the meeting? 9 MR. McKENZIE: Here's what we need to do. This is 10 what we've got to do. We'll have our board meeting, then we 11 need to start that meeting, and any board member can attend. 12 Or if you can't attend, that's fine too. But at 10:30 is 13 when we're going to start this meeting of the project, 14 because we had to accommodate Michelle. She would have had 15 to come here on Sunday night, spend the night, and she's got 16 children in grade school and she couldn't make it work. We 17 visited about it for a long time. 18 MR. WALTERS: Reason we moved it to Tuesday. 19 MR. McKENZIE: But we'll have that project meeting, 20 and that's when we will have our working paper presented to 21 us, at the project meeting in November. Two weeks prior to 22 that, you'll have a draft of it. 23 MR. MOSER: That's what I was going to ask. So, 24 we'll have it in advance? 25 MR. McKENZIE: You'll have a draft before the 10-18-10 Airport Board 29 1 meeting. So, long story short is, everything's moving along 2 real well on this. The next meeting when we -- the project 3 meeting will be at 10:30. I'm going to post it in case we 4 have at least three board members who would like to attend. 5 We'll have it right here. And that will give Michelle time 6 to get over here Monday morning for the meeting. The meeting 7 at Mooney the other day when they wanted to inspect all of 8 the buildings went real well. Had about seven people over 9 there going through. They went through everything. 10 MR. MOSER: In one day? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, they did it in one day. A 12 long day, but they got it done. 13 MR. WALTERS: When you say "they," who is that? 14 MR. McKENZIE: A company out of Austin, Texas. I 15 don't know -- I don't know the name of the company. 16 MR. WALTERS: Well, relative to the master plan? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. But -- 18 MR. MOSER: But they were doing assessment -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: Of all the structures. 20 MR. MOSER: -- of structures? 21 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 22 MR. KING: Bet that worked out good. 23 MR. MOSER: Maybe that's the reason they didn't 24 take too long. 25 MR. KING: Bad. Bad. Bad. (Laughter.) 10-18-10 Airport Board 30 1 MR. McKENZIE: That's all I've got on the master 2 plan. 3 MR. KING: That's all you have? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 5 MR. KING: So we don't need to go into executive 6 session today? 7 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir. 8 MR. KING: Okay. Anything else? 9 MR. WALTERS: I got a couple of things I'd like to 10 ask. One thing about the -- going back to these signs. 11 Where these access roads intersect, the -- the main road, 12 will we have signs that dictate Gate 1, 2, 3, 4, et cetera? 13 MR. McKENZIE: They're up now. 14 MR. WALTERS: They are? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 16 MR. WALTERS: Are they big enough? 17 MR. McKENZIE: This is the third time I've had them 18 changed. They're red and about this big, Gate 1, 2, 3, every 19 gate. 20 MR. MOSER: Yeah, I saw them. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, and they're reflective 22 engineer's grade 3M tape. 23 MR. WALTERS: Okay. Everything -- and I talked to 24 Steve about this before, is when we finish -- or as part of 25 the construction plan, we were talking about this going on 10-18-10 Airport Board 31 1 the road going out, this first very severe hairpin curve. 2 MR. KING: There where the fence is, where they 3 knocked the hole in the fence. 4 MR. McKENZIE: That fence will be moved back over. 5 MR. WALTERS: It will be? 6 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. That's all -- it'll come 7 in November. 8 MR. KING: What do you mean, "moved over"? 9 MR. McKENZIE: It can go back right next to the 10 T-hangars that are right there. The fence -- the fence right 11 next to the road right now. 12 MR. COWDEN: There's a gate. 13 MR. McKENZIE: That's just a temporary -- 14 MR. KING: They're going to move that against -- 15 MR. McKENZIE: Oh, yeah. 16 MR. WALTERS: But that drainage area is still 17 pretty close to that hairpin curve. I mean, I was wondering 18 if we should put up some guardrail on that good curve. 19 MR. McKENZIE: That was my question as well, and 20 here was the answer. 21 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 22 MR. McKENZIE: They say in that curve, they're 23 banking on that fence acting as a guardrail. (Laughter.) 24 MR. COWDEN: There's going to be a hole in the 25 fence. 10-18-10 Airport Board 32 1 MR. McKENZIE: I asked that very question. 2 MR. WALTERS: I don't think that fence can hold 3 somebody going through there. 4 MR. COWDEN: I don't either. 5 MR. McKENZIE: Here's what's going to happen. The 6 design engineer from Kansas City's going to be here 7 Wednesday, day after tomorrow. I'll certainly ask him that. 8 MR. MOSER: I had that same thought this morning. 9 MR. WALTERS: I recommend that we consider putting 10 a slow sign and a curve, you know, on that prior to that 11 curve, and then that we look at putting a guardrail at that 12 curve. 13 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 14 MR. WALTERS: I just can see somebody going right 15 through that fence and ending up in that concrete ditch, 16 especially with the taxiway, you know, that's there, and, you 17 know, very possibly somebody watching somebody take off, 18 taxiing, et cetera, and kind of going right through that 19 curve. 20 MR. McKENZIE: We'll do it. 21 MR. WALTERS: Ending up in the concrete ditch. 22 MR. McKENZIE: We have funds left over to do that 23 left over in the project. 24 MR. MOSER: Like a skate ramp. 25 MR. KING: Okay. 10-18-10 Airport Board 33 1 MR. McKENZIE: We will -- 2 MR. KING: Okay. 3 MR. McKENZIE: First one, Corey, that's what you're 4 concerned about, the curve? 5 MR. WALTERS: That's the one, yes. 6 MR. KING: Right there, just past Dugosh where it 7 goes down the hill -- kind of down the hill. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 9 MR. KING: But that fence is going to be moved? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, it will be moved back 11 over. 12 MR. KING: The whole thing all the way down? 13 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, just to the apex of the curve 14 where the new fence is right there. 15 MR. MOSER: Real close. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, he's close. 17 MR. KING: Really. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 19 MR. KING: Okay. All right. Anything else? 20 Jonathan -- Commissioner? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: With these projects winding up 22 or winding down and being completed, y'all want might want to 23 consider doing some sort of an opening, you know, 24 announcement, press release for y'all, ask the City/County to 25 come. I mean, it's been -- and kind of let the public know 10-18-10 Airport Board 34 1 again what all's been going on out here. Or the Chamber, 2 something like that. I just think it would be a good 3 opportunity, 'cause this is the last of -- this seems -- the 4 airport's been under construction now, seems like -- 5 MR. McKENZIE: Two and a half years. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Seems like longer than that. 7 But, you know, -- 8 MR. KING: Good idea. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- announce it. 10 MR. KING: Good idea. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a way to get some good 12 press. 13 MR. McKENZIE: We need to do it in the springtime, 14 then. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, it doesn't have to be -- 16 you know, sometime when it's done. 17 MR. KING: When it's completely finished. That's a 18 good idea. 19 MR. MOSER: Yeah, especially a before and after. 20 MR. KING: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No big deal, just something 22 like that. 23 MR. MOSER: Yeah. 24 MR. KING: Okay. Anybody else? That's it. Motion 25 to adjourn? 10-18-10 Airport Board 35 1 MR. MOSER: So moved. 2 MR. WALTERS: Second. 3 MR. KING: All in favor? 4 (Motion carried unanimously, 4-0.) 5 (Airport Board meeting was adjourned at 9:06 a.m.) 6 - - - - - - - - - - 7 8 9 STATE OF TEXAS | 10 COUNTY OF KERR | 11 I, Kathy Banik, official reporter for Kerr County, 12 Texas, do hereby certify that the above and foregoing is a 13 true and complete transcription of my stenotype notes taken 14 at the time and place heretofore set forth. 15 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 19th day of October, 16 2010. 17 _______________________________ Kathy Banik, Texas CSR # 6483 18 Expiration Date: 12/31/12 Official Court Reporter 19 Kerr County, Texas 700 Main Street 20 Kerrville, Texas 78028 Phone: 830-792-2295 21 22 23 24 25 10-18-10 Airport Board