1 2 3 4 KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD 5 Regular Meeting 6 Monday, November 15, 2010 7 8:30 a.m. 8 Airport Terminal Conference Room 9 1877 Airport Loop Road 10 Kerrville, Texas 11 12 MEMBERS PRESENT: Stephen King, President 13 Fred Vogt, Vice-President Tom Moser 14 Mark Cowden Corey Walters 15 16 AIRPORT BOARD STAFF PRESENT: Bruce McKenzie, Airport Manager 17 Laurie DeJohn-Ermey, Executive Assistant 18 COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: 19 Jonathan Letz, Commissioner Pct. 3 Jeannie Hargis, Auditor 20 Tess Mabry, Assistant Auditor 21 CITY STAFF PRESENT: 22 Mike Erwin, Finance Director 23 VISITORS: 24 Ilse Bailey, Airport attorney Joe Kennedy, Kerrville Aviation 25 Barry Hodkin, Mooney Aviation 2 1 I N D E X November 15, 2010 2 PAGE 3 CALLED TO ORDER 4 1. VISITORS FORUM 3 5 2. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION 2A Approve minutes 3 6 2B Monthly financials (Jeannie Hargis) 6 7 2C Mooney Airplane Company - leases & name change 8 (Barry Hodkin) 11 9 2D Location & possible construction of a new parking area (Steve King) 18 10 2E New signs on Airport Loop (Bruce McKenzie) 25 11 12 3. INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION 3A Phase II construction update 34 13 3B Fire Flow Enhancement project update 36 14 3C. Installation of new fiberoptic cable 39 15 3D. Master Plan update 41 16 17 4. EXECUTIVE SESSION -- 18 5. ADJOURNMENT 51 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, November 15, 2010, at 8:30 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board was 3 held in the Airport Terminal Conference Room, Louis Schreiner 4 Field, Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were 5 had in open session: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 MR. KING: Okay, I'd like to call the November 15th 8 meeting of the Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board to 9 order. Item 1. At this time, any person with business not 10 scheduled on the agenda may speak to the Airport Board. No 11 deliberation or action may be taken on these items, because 12 the Open Meetings Act requires an item be posted on the 13 agenda for 72 hours before the meeting. Visitors are asked 14 to limit their preparation to -- presentations to three 15 minutes. Anyone coming forward? No one. Number two item. 16 Item 2, discussion and possible action, approve the minutes 17 of the October 18th, 2010 meeting. Bruce, you have something 18 to say? 19 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. As we progress through the new 20 management contract and the County doing their agreed task in 21 this, the minutes as we know them are not -- are not the way 22 they used to be. This a verbatim transcript now that we get 23 from Kathy, so what's happening is, we had a 36-minute 24 meeting last month. We had 35 pages of transcript. We're 25 averaging a page a minute. We tried to send it to you folks 4 1 last week, and it overloads. We can't send it; it's too big 2 to send the file. So, we don't have the minutes, per se, any 3 more. This is a verbatim transcript of every meeting, to 4 answer your question -- or your e-mail last night. 5 MR. MOSER: Question is, how do we -- real time, do 6 we want to sit here and read the 30 pages? Do we -- 7 MR. McKENZIE: It'll be online starting probably, 8 we hope, this month. If you -- 9 MR. MOSER: I move we -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: How do we do this? 11 MR. MOSER: I move that we not approve the minutes 12 from last month, unless we want to sit here and read them, 13 and I don't think we want to do that. And -- and we can 14 approve them at the next meeting. 15 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. 16 MR. MOSER: And then we can go forward by this 17 other procedure. 18 MR. KING: When will they be online? How soon 19 after the meeting? 20 MR. McKENZIE: We hope by the end of this month. 21 MR. KING: Like, if we have a meeting, is it like a 22 week or two? 23 MS. DEJOHN-ERMEY: Normally within a week. 24 MR. McKENZIE: Why don't we do this? Why don't we 25 just make it a new procedure to, prior to the next meeting, 5 1 have everyone go online and look at the minutes. Would you 2 like to put "approve the minutes," or would you like to put 3 "approve the transcripts," since it's not actually minutes 4 any more? Does that matter to y'all? 5 MR. KING: I think they're actually minutes. 6 MR. MOSER: Still minutes. 7 MR. KING: They're still minutes. And everyone get 8 online and approve them. 9 MR. McKENZIE: It will be on our web site. 10 MR. KING: Just look at them, and then when we have 11 a meeting -- 12 MR. MOSER: As a result, this meeting, these 13 minutes, quote, will be there a week from now? 14 MR. McKENZIE: We hope it starts this month. 15 That's the plan. 16 MR. KING: Before the meeting. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Seven to eight days after our 18 meeting, they should be posted. 19 MR. MOSER: Okay. So, we will just not take any 20 action on Item 2A. 21 MR. KING: So, if you want to read them, read them. 22 If you don't want to read them, don't. 23 MR. MOSER: We do need to approve them, but just do 24 it at the next meeting. 25 MR. McKENZIE: It averages a page a minute as we go 6 1 through the meeting. 2 MR. MOSER: Okay. 3 MR. KING: We got to quit talking. Item 2B, 4 monthly financials. Jeannie? 5 MS. HARGIS: Okay. These are a little bit 6 different. The first page of your regular financials is a 7 true balance sheet. I think this document will probably 8 change just a little bit. It's not -- it's really similar to 9 the cash flow, but it's just a true balance sheet. We had a 10 transfer in of $255,333.80. And then below, in the liability 11 section, you see that your deposits, the Airport Manager's 12 severance I have changed, because your contract calls for 13 that to be six months, and the amount that was shown before 14 was not a true six months, because you've given him raises 15 over the last couple of years. So, I've read that agreement; 16 actually got a copy of the agreement. You have it in phases. 17 You get -- the severance is supposed to be, for the first 18 three years, up to six months, and then it changes. So, next 19 year it will change again because of the way that you have it 20 in the contract. 21 Also, with the reserve for capital replacement, 22 that is kind of up to y'all, and I think we would like to 23 review that later, but not today. Because I don't think -- 24 you know, I didn't put it on the agenda, but that needs to be 25 changed as well, 'cause you were supposed to increase that, 7 1 like, every year so you have enough money to replace your 2 vehicles as your -- that was your object. But that gives you 3 liabilities of 53,723. And your unreserved fund balance is 4 214, and then your capital replacement, if you'll look down 5 at the -- for your cash that you can spend, where it says 6 total equity and revenue, that 201 is the same as you were 7 getting on the other, okay? Next pages are very similar. We 8 set them up just exactly the way we were getting them. We 9 set up your revenue. Your current budget is in here. The 10 revenue came out to 603,611.19. The next page -- 11 MR. MOSER: I've got a question on that page. 12 MS. HARGIS: Okay. 13 MR. MOSER: On terminal lease, okay? Up there in 14 lease and rental income, it's only 55 percent of the budget 15 on the terminal lease. Is -- Bruce, is there some issue 16 there? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Everything is leased out in the 18 terminal, that terminal building. We have one month we 19 didn't have a lease, but the rest of that we've been leased 20 out. 21 MS. HARGIS: This is the first month of the year. 22 MR. COWDEN: This says 54 percent remaining, last 23 column. 24 MS. HARGIS: Well, because some of your people pay 25 annually, and some of them pay quarterly. 8 1 MR. MOSER: Jeannie, where you're showing 100 2 percent is monthly projection? 3 MS. HARGIS: Right. This is just divided by 12. 4 This -- 5 MR. MOSER: Okay. That's the way you did it, okay. 6 MS. HARGIS: So if somebody pays differently, then 7 it skews. 8 MR. MOSER: Okay, nevermind. Got it, thank you. 9 MS. HARGIS: And these -- also, these revenues are 10 just like -- you know, I'm basically using last year's 11 revenue. As I get a handle on those, I -- next year we can 12 refine those a little bit better. 13 MR. MOSER: Yeah. Okay, thank you. 14 MS. HARGIS: Salaries and benefits, that's 15 everybody that you have on board now. You have four people 16 now. The next one is -- we broke it down just a little bit 17 differently. We have your personnel and things that are 18 actually -- you know, your conferences and things like that 19 are in that category. Supplies. Your land. 20 MR. MOSER: On Page 4. 21 MS. HARGIS: Yes, I am on Page 4. I tried to put 22 all your professional services under one area, so we moved 23 them around just a little bit. Anything that has to do with 24 our management contract that is supposed to be under there is 25 under there. And for y'all's information, that is your 9 1 liability insurance that we paid last month. That is an 2 annual premium. 3 MR. MOSER: Okay. 4 MS. HARGIS: Page 5 is your utilities on the 5 airport itself, not this area. And if you go to Page 6, 6 that -- those are the utilities on this building. So, it's 7 really similar. I tried to set it up the same, because I 8 didn't want to blow your concept of the -- of the financials, 9 so they're pretty much the same. 10 MR. MOSER: They are. 11 MS. HARGIS: The next -- the next one is the 12 capital account. This is the same type of format again. 13 It's a true balance sheet. We came over with 317,000. You 14 had an unreserved fund balance of four -- actually, you came 15 over with 496,234. This is actually pretty much true as 16 of -- as of last Monday, because you made a big payment here 17 of 178,000 on the water line. I wanted to go ahead and show 18 you that because it's already gone through. And you don't 19 have any revenue, per se, because those are all grants and 20 funds that are already in the account. Then you -- on the 21 next page, which is Page 9, you can see that water line. And 22 what I've done here is I've just put in a budget based on 23 what y'all had agreed. And the negative 2,450 is you went 24 over on the master plan, as you recall. And then Page 3 is 25 just a transfer. 10 1 And for right now, we -- we're using this page 2 until, again, I get a little bit better handle on the 3 capital. We just got everything a couple weeks ago, and as 4 far as I know, everything is matching here. Again, we're 5 showing the 178 coming out, which is reflected in A16. That 6 line, we had 629,416. You spent 513. You have 115,781 left. 7 And then -- so that gives you 244,314.48 to spend on your 8 construction projects. You have the RAMP grant money, which 9 is detailed a little bit down below. I've got a note for you 10 there that balances back to the 317 which is on your balance 11 sheet, so I want this to balance back to the balance sheet. 12 I think that'll be easy for all of us. 13 MR. MOSER: Yeah, that's good. 14 MS. HARGIS: Now, if you want the additional cash 15 flow statement, I'm going to have to do a little bit with 16 that, because I am a C.P.A. That's kind of a combination of 17 balance sheet and an income statement. I can't do that. My 18 license kind of prohibits me from putting out a form like 19 that, so I'll have to come up with kind of a different format 20 if you want kind of a summary sheet. 21 MR. COWDEN: I like your form. That's more 22 user-friendly. 23 MR. MOSER: Yeah, I think it's good. 24 MS. HARGIS: So, if this always balances back to 25 our balance sheet, then we know cash to cash. To me, that's 11 1 the easiest way to do it. So -- and if you, you know, need 2 line item detail, just let us know. We can provide that as 3 well. 4 MR. KING: All right, very good. Anybody have 5 questions? Do you have any questions? As we were going 6 through this thing, I see in my packet I got a copy of the 7 minutes. 8 MR. MOSER: But you didn't get them before today's 9 meeting. 10 MR. KING: Did you see them? 11 MR. MOSER: Yeah. But the thing is, we couldn't -- 12 MR. KING: Word for word. 13 MR. MOSER: Yeah, but we couldn't review them and 14 say -- and approve them. That was the issue. 15 MR. KING: All right. Anybody have a question on 16 the financials? 17 MR. COWDEN: I make a motion we approve them. 18 MR. MOSER: Second. 19 MR. KING: Second by Mr. Moser. Discussion? All 20 in favor? 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 5-0.) 22 MR. KING: 5-0. Okay. That's very good, Jeannie. 23 Those are nice. 24 MS. HARGIS: Thank you. 25 MR. KING: Item 2C. Mooney Airplane Company leases 12 1 and name change. Barry? 2 MR. HODKIN: Good morning, folks. Thanks. Just to 3 give you a brief outline of where we are with the 4 developments at Mooney or the changes over at Mooney, first 5 I'd like to thank you all for reacting very quickly to my 6 request at a previous board meeting about the name change and 7 whether you want to restructure the company. I appreciate 8 the effort you put in and the speed you reacted and the visit 9 over there. Hope you enjoyed the visit to walk around. We 10 -- we did get from you guys a proposed new lease in the name 11 of Mooney Aviation, which is now the new name of the 12 operating company over there on the other side of the field. 13 I'm sure you saw in the press that that change was made, and 14 we are operating as Mooney Aviation right now. The onus is 15 on -- therefore, on Mooney to respond to the draft lease or 16 the proposed lease -- new lease that you sent us now several 17 weeks ago. 18 I'm not yet in a position to respond. It does give 19 us some problems. There are some nice things about it. It's 20 still with the board and -- our -- my board and my lawyers. 21 The hesitation or the delay is really caused by the still 22 open question about who the new investors in the business are 23 going to be, and their business plan and their desires. So, 24 I can't give you a, "I'm going to sign it and send it to you 25 by next week," or, "I'm going to send you a response by next 13 1 week" at this point. So, forgive me for that. But as far as 2 the company's concerned, we're still operating over there. 3 We've still got 50 people, and we're still trying to finalize 4 the new investments and things going forward. Any questions 5 or -- 6 MR. MOSER: So we're waiting to get a response? 7 You're waiting to identify who the investors are before you 8 can -- 9 MR. HODKIN: The issue for us is that, for example, 10 one of the invest -- one of the items in the lease is that 11 you want us to relinquish the ownership of the paint shop. 12 One of the investors would like to keep the paint shop. One 13 of the investors that we're talking to is fine with the 14 relinquishing the paint shop. 15 MR. MOSER: I see. 16 MR. HODKIN: So it's that sort of operational level 17 in the lease, rather than the overall structure of the lease. 18 For example, the -- the rental payments, that's fine with 19 everybody. The change in that structure so it's not 20 ratcheting in the future, it's a fixed level going out for 21 the next 20-some years. But there are certain operational 22 things in there which do depend on the investors. 23 MS. BAILEY: What kind of timeline do you think 24 you're looking at? 25 MR. HODKIN: I would hope to have done it by now. 14 1 I don't want to -- we got to have done it by Christmas. 2 We've got to have done it by Christmas, but I'm not sure 3 whether it's next week, the week after, or five weeks from 4 now. 5 MS. BAILEY: My only concern is that, of course, 6 we're sort of in a position now where they don't really have 7 a lease. I think they're really tenants at sufferance, 8 because it's a company that we haven't allowed the assignment 9 of a lease to. We haven't created a new lease. And it's not 10 problematic, 'cause I'm sure we'll be able to work out the 11 details, but as of right now they don't really have anything 12 other than a, "You stay there until we work something out." 13 And that -- 14 MR. HODKIN: We are continuing to pay the lease. 15 MS. BAILEY: They're paying the rent, so -- 16 MR. HODKIN: And we are paying -- we should have 17 paid the property tax off by the end of this year as well, so 18 we are making financial payments required by the lease, the 19 old lease or the new lease. 20 MR. MOSER: So we're covered legally? We don't 21 need some kind of interim, -- 22 MS. BAILEY: No. 23 MR. MOSER: -- one-page, "Here's what we agree to"? 24 MS. BAILEY: No, not if we're going to do 25 something -- that's why I asked the timeline. If this was 15 1 going to go on for six months, I think we'd need something, 2 but just for the short period of time, I don't -- I think 3 we're okay. 4 MR. MOSER: So you think, Barry, by Christmas? 5 MR. HODKIN: We've got to have done it by 6 Christmas. 7 MR. MOSER: Okay. Okay. Is there any -- 8 MR. HODKIN: Any questions, guys? 9 MR. KING: We'll do anything we can to help you 10 out, Barry. 11 MR. HODKIN: I know you will. I believe that, and 12 I thank you for that. 13 MS. BAILEY: One of the things we need to be sure 14 of is that if you need to go through the executed lease by 15 Christmas, we're going to have to have enough time that when 16 you make a counterproposal or send us back the lease, we'll 17 have to convene a board -- Airport Board meeting in order to 18 get a signature, so that's going to be at least 72 hours. 19 MR. HODKIN: That's fine. 20 MS. BAILEY: So keep in mind that we can't just 21 sign it. 22 MR. HODKIN: I understand. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Next meeting is December the 20th, 24 the week of Christmas. Monday before Christmas. 25 MS. BAILEY: Between us, if it's agreed by December 16 1 15th or so, that would be good. 2 MR. HODKIN: That'll be fine. I'm departing in the 3 middle of December, so I've got to get a response to you by 4 then. 5 MR. MOSER: Okay. 6 MR. KING: Is there a lot -- a lot of hangups like 7 that paint deal, or just a few hangups? 8 MR. HODKIN: Primarily, it's the paint shop. 9 There's some legalese things which the lawyers have responded 10 to, but I don't see any of those as being major issues. The 11 operational things include the paint shop which I mentioned, 12 plus the Building 17 and 18. 13 MR. KING: Which ones are those? 14 MR. HODKIN: They're the old buildings that do need 15 taken down. Right now the lease proposal is that I take them 16 down at my expense, which may be a problem. And, primarily, 17 it's not the building itself, although the cost of taking 18 those buildings down is indetermined at this point, because I 19 don't know what asbestos, for example, is in there. The 20 primary issue for me is this -- you remember there's a 21 U-hangar with a building at the back. 22 MR. COWDEN: Yeah. 23 MR. HODKIN: Building at the back contains a stress 24 rig. Some of you went in there and saw the plane up there. 25 Again, one of the guys wants that stress rig. Now, does it 17 1 need to be in that building? No, it can be transferred 2 somewhere else, but that's going to cost them about 60,000 to 3 take down and move. One of the guys does not want the stress 4 rig, in which case we just bulldoze the place. So, there's 5 a -- there's an un -- indetermined cost for that. 6 MR. MOSER: Okay. 7 MR. HODKIN: Depending on which of the investors is 8 looking at the operation. 9 MR. MOSER: Okay. 10 MR. KING: Like we told you at the start, we're 11 flexible on some of that. You know, we -- 12 MR. HODKIN: I'm sure that we -- 13 MR. KING: We have ultimate goals, but we -- 14 MR. HODKIN: I think the motivation for all of us 15 is to keep some jobs over there, preserve some jobs and grow 16 that place. 17 MR. MOSER: Right. 18 MR. HODKIN: And given that we've all got that 19 interest, I'm sure we can work through any issues. 20 MR. KING: Sure, we can do that. Okay. 21 MR. MOSER: Good. 22 MR. KING: Thanks, Barry, for coming by and keeping 23 us up to date on it. 24 MR. HODKIN: Appreciate it. I'm going to depart, 25 if that's okay. 18 1 MR. KING: Okay. 2 MR. McKENZIE: You said you were departing in 3 December. Just for the holidays? 4 MR. HODKIN: Yeah. Yeah. Well, as far as I know. 5 (Laughter.) Life's tough right now, you know. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Appreciate it, Barry. 7 MR. MOSER: Red flag. Red flag. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Didn't know exactly where he was 9 going. 10 MR. MOSER: Going back to jolly old England. 11 MR. KING: All right, good. Item 2D, location and 12 possible construction of a new parking area. I put this on 13 the agenda. Bruce and I have talked about this for a long 14 time, and I just put it out here just as a kind of a trial 15 balloon to see if anyone was even interested in looking at 16 it. We -- we've been looking for ways to -- more revenue for 17 the airport, to increase the revenue for the airport so we 18 have more operating income. And we have a -- obviously, we 19 have a parking problem out here. There's about -- there's, 20 what, 14 of us in this room today, and there's probably 150 21 cars out there right now. And -- 22 MS. BAILEY: I think I took the very last spot; I 23 was going to have to go back to town. 24 MR. KING: One more after me. And so we have a lot 25 of people who park here year-round. 19 1 MR. MOSER: I don't think parking meters are a good 2 idea. 3 MR. KING: Not parking meters, but they park here 4 year-round and just leave cars here year-round. And they're 5 customers at the airport, a lot of them are, but a lot of 6 them are vehicles just left here 365 days out of the year, 7 and used -- 8 MR. MOSER: Cheap storage. 9 MR. KING: -- used for a month and a half or two 10 months, and in that time, they're used about five times. And 11 so -- and this is not -- this is not a problem -- this is not 12 a special case here. When I was in Uvalde, there's a -- 13 there's a lot down there with probably 75 cars parked there 14 with weeds up to the windows. They sit there all year, and 15 then they come get them in the hunting season. And we have a 16 lot of people coming in here on the weekends and stuff, using 17 the place as storage for their car on the weekend. So, we 18 just thought we had -- we thought, you know, we have some 19 property up here on the right side up here behind the fence 20 up here. We thought about investigating the possibility of 21 putting a parking lot up there. The City and the County are 22 both pretty good at making parking lots. They made one way 23 over there, and they do it relatively cheaply. And -- and we 24 thought, well, maybe we'll look at the possibility of putting 25 a parking lot up there. And then it came in -- you know, we 20 1 thought, well, what if we put some covered parking up there 2 with these new covered things that they have, that, you know, 3 all the automobile dealerships have? I notice the city of 4 Abilene, it has its whole parking lot outside of Abilene -- 5 when you come into the terminal at Abilene, the whole parking 6 lot is now covered in those -- those covers. 7 MR. MOSER: Sort of cantilevered? 8 MR. KING: Cantilevered, yeah. I mean, the whole 9 parking lot, all of them, everything's covered. And -- and 10 so we thought, well, you know, what about doing that and then 11 charging some of these people to store their cars in a safe 12 area, you know, in a locked out area, and charge them a 13 yearly fee. And clear up our parking lot, and possibly get a 14 little more income for the airport. So, Corey has a house 15 over in Destin, Florida, over at Seaside; he flies to Destin 16 and they do that over there. I mean, how many cars in that 17 parking lot, probably 200 or 300? 18 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. Well, actually, there's two 19 FBO's, and there's probably 150 cars in one FBO and probably 20 100 in the other. 21 MR. KING: Yeah. 22 MR. WALTERS: People -- in fact, I pay over there 23 $600 a year, $50 a month, to leave my car -- leave my car 24 there. 25 MR. KING: It's not covered, is it? 21 1 MR. WALTERS: It's not covered. And they -- in 2 fact, actually, one FBO that -- the first FBO, they had a 3 waiting list before they -- before the other FBO opened up. 4 So, I think it's an excellent idea. 5 MR. KING: Joey has -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: $37 a month. 7 MR. KING: He has 10 or 12 -- 8 MR. McKENZIE: There's 15. 9 MR. KING: 15 of them. He has 15 of them over 10 there that are covered, almost 30. How much, you know, do 11 you get for those? 12 MR. KENNEDY: 37, 35. 13 MR. McKENZIE: 37.89 a month. 14 MR. WALTERS: I think it's an excellent idea. I 15 think between the City and County, like Steve said, we can do 16 that work very inexpensively. We have the room. I think 17 it'll alleviate parking for, you know, daily customer 18 traffic. 19 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 20 MR. KING: All I was proposing was to get Bruce to 21 look at some numbers. 22 MR. MOSER: Get the concept -- get the idea out 23 there today. 24 MR. KING: Get some numbers and some possible -- 25 MR. MOSER: How does it -- 22 1 MR. KING: -- figures. 2 MR. MOSER: How does it fit with the plan, the 3 master plan of utilization of that area up there? Is that -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: We're going to talk about that 5 today. 6 MR. COWDEN: Talking about across the street? 7 MR. MOSER: No, just talking about what does it do 8 to the master plan? 9 MR. COWDEN: The master plan is on here. 10 MR. McKENZIE: It is. When this is through, we'll 11 ask Perry at the 10:30 meeting about that very thing. 12 MR. MOSER: Okay, yeah. We don't want to -- that 13 ought to be part of the consideration. 14 MR. KING: Exactly, and we can talk to him about 15 that. 16 MR. MOSER: I think it's a good idea, Steve. I 17 think we ought to -- 18 MR. KING: It's pretty flat right here. This fence 19 is flat -- it's fairly flat. I think we ought to get some 20 numbers together. If it's not cost-effective, we won't do 21 it, but if it is cost-effective, that's one thing they will 22 have, and they will do pretty reasonably, is build asphalt 23 parking lots. 24 MR. MOSER: It's a good improvement for the 25 facility. Could be, yeah. I think it's a good idea. I 23 1 think we ought to proceed. 2 MR. KING: What do you think, Fred? 3 MR. VOGT: Yes. 4 MR. KING: Okay. All right. 5 MR. MOSER: That's it, period. 6 MR. COWDEN: Did you get that? 7 MR. KING: Final over there. 8 MR. VOGT: I'm afraid to say anything. (Laughter.) 9 MR. MOSER: I knew this stenographer was a good 10 idea. 11 MR. COWDEN: You can't curse any more. 12 MR. KING: No more jokes. Okay. All right. We'll 13 go forward with that, then. We'll -- Bruce will kind of get 14 some -- maybe we can talk to the people in Abilene. I'm sure 15 they got an Airport Manager over there, and find out what -- 16 they can probably give us -- those haven't been up all that 17 long, and they probably can give us some hard numbers and 18 some companies and stuff as to what it cost to put those 19 things in. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 21 MR. KING: I don't imagine that they're just 22 totally cost prohibitive, or they wouldn't have done the 23 whole parking lot. 24 MR. VOGT: Will we use county assets, or is that 25 something that could be worked into -- 24 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can discuss it. 2 MR. VOGT: We can discuss it. 3 MR. KING: And, you know, we -- we just -- I mean, 4 I think we just kind of go forward and look at it, get some 5 numbers together and see. Maybe the City and the County both 6 would help us on the thing a little bit, 'cause it would be 7 kind of a capital improvement for the airport. 8 MR. COWDEN: Bruce, if you -- I don't know if 9 you've looked at it, or even thought about how many parking 10 spaces maybe we might be looking at. 50? 11 MR. McKENZIE: I think we need 100. I think we 12 need 100, but that's if -- if it's not cost-prohibitive. 75, 13 50 at least. Because -- 14 MR. COWDEN: All covered? Or some covered, some 15 open? 16 MR. McKENZIE: That's -- I'd like to cover them 17 all, but we can charge them more. 18 MR. MOSER: Lay it out in pieces; 50, 100, covered, 19 not covered, blah, blah, blah. 20 MR. McKENZIE: I thought about it last week as I 21 walked around after Steve and I talked about it. If you look 22 at it, that's not a lot. When you count everything that's 23 out there right now, I mean, you've eaten almost all that up. 24 So -- 25 MR. WALTERS: Probably minimum, 75. 25 1 MR. McKENZIE: 50, 75, 100. 2 MR. KING: I'm going to be in Abilene next week. 3 I'll take some pictures; I'll get a name off of the label 4 with -- with whoever, whatever built those things. They're 5 really nice, and they're -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: We'll get with Perry at the 10:30 7 meeting and tell him what -- 8 MR. KING: Yeah. 9 MR. McKENZIE: -- we're talking about, see if that 10 fits in, or let them include it into their plan. 11 MR. KING: Sure. I think our customers would be 12 very happy with that. 13 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 14 MR. KING: Go from free parking to paid parking. 15 (Laughter.) All right. Maybe get a tow truck to haul them 16 away. All right. New signs on Airport Loop, Item 2E. 17 MR. McKENZIE: First of all, I talked to Charlie 18 Thomas. They do not want their name on the sign. Brinkman 19 doesn't want his name on the new sign, like you talked about. 20 The board asked for 30 days to look at this area and see 21 where you would like to place the signs. There's a copy of 22 the -- where we had looked at it and suggested places, and 23 the board suggested they'd like to have a month to look at 24 where we'd like to place them. So, I guess that's the next 25 question, is where would you like to place these signs? 26 1 MR. VOGT: Right by the "X." 2 MR. McKENZIE: Okay, we can do that. 3 MR. COWDEN: I thought about moving it somewhere -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: We can do it right around the corner 5 here before you get to Dugosh's gate; there's another opening 6 on the right-hand side of the road. 7 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. I was not in favor of this one 8 down here, just because I felt like, one, it's -- there's no 9 power there, and I feel like we should get it someplace over 10 here by Dugosh so that we could light the sign. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 12 MR. COWDEN: And the sped of the traffic will be -- 13 MR. WALTERS: And the speed of the traffic. 14 MR. KING: Where were you thinking? Where were 15 y'all -- you were not -- you were not in favor of this, the 16 one that -- 17 MR. WALTERS: That's correct. 18 MR. KING: The one as you come into the airport. 19 And somewhere along this -- 20 MR. COWDEN: Across from Dugosh, somewhere along 21 there. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Need to put it prior to Dugosh's 23 gate, Gate 1. Right across from the T-hangars someplace 24 would be appropriate. 25 MR. KING: Right across from his T-hangars. 27 1 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 2 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 3 MR. KING: Is there power there? 4 MR. WALTERS: I'll be honest; I've not looked at 5 this location since we discussed it last. 6 MR. KING: Like me, you've driven by it seven 7 times. 8 MR. WALTERS: I have. 9 MR. KING: But we didn't look at it. 10 MR. WALTERS: So, I mean, are we looking at making 11 a decision on actually placing this -- these signs here 12 today? These locations? 13 MR. KING: We can't -- what's the timeline on 14 putting those signs in? I mean, obviously, right now they'd 15 get all dirty from the dust over there. 16 MR. McKENZIE: We're finished with the road; the 17 new road is there now. We're going to build a new road when 18 they get completed from -- 19 MR. KING: Right. 20 MR. McKENZIE: -- Ronnie's down here. We're going 21 to re-hot mix this road. 22 MR. KING: I think that's about where the signs 23 are, pretty close where the signs are. 24 MR. McKENZIE: We can wait till in the spring. I 25 mean, if that's -- 28 1 MR. KING: Is that right before the -- I don't want 2 to say that, but the little building there? 3 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, it is. 4 MR. MOSER: Judge Roy Bean's cabin? 5 MR. KING: That's what I'm not going to say. 6 MR. McKENZIE: It's just prior to reaching that 7 building. 8 MR. KING: Poor Jonathan. Go ahead. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Since you have a 10:30 meeting 10 and you'll probably be done here before that, why don't you 11 just walk down -- recess, and make a decision after -- 12 MR. KING: Yeah, we can drive down there and look 13 at it. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just recess this meeting. 15 MR. KING: And tell Bruce what you think. 16 MR. MOSER: I can look at it. 17 MR. McKENZIE: This sign will be the first sign. 18 This is the first sign. 19 MR. KING: I think that's -- 20 MR. COWDEN: That's going to be here, or wherever. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 22 MR. KING: I think that's probably -- we probably 23 can say -- I mean, I think I'm in agreement that it's not to 24 go somewhere right in here where those two T-hangars are. I 25 just couldn't tell you within 10 feet where it goes in there. 29 1 MR. McKENZIE: There's an option also, you could 2 put it on the left side of the road; when you come through 3 the apex of this curve, you're looking at the sign this way. 4 Because that fencing is going to be moved back about 20 feet. 5 MR. KING: Right. 6 MR. McKENZIE: So that's a possibility. Well, if 7 we walk down there after a while, we can look at it. 8 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 9 MR. COWDEN: The traffic and the -- 10 MR. MOSER: Bruce, why, on this other location for 11 the terminal itself, -- 12 MR. McKENZIE: Smaller sign? 13 MR. MOSER: Why is it so far back, as opposed to up 14 at the intersection? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Because I want the traffic -- I want 16 the vehicular motion, the movement, to turn so they're facing 17 the building before they read the sign. 18 MR. COWDEN: That's close to the gate, I guess. 19 MR. McKENZIE: We're going to put it between the 20 gate and where you turn off the Airport Loop. That was my 21 thought, Tom. I want the vehicle's movement to turn. 22 MR. MOSER: I see. You're going to have Gate 3 23 there, and everybody knows that's where Kerrville Aviation 24 is, and then you get to the -- blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 25 Okay. That's okay. All right. 30 1 MR. KING: Did you ever look at what we're going to 2 make these things out of? 3 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 4 MR. MOSER: Yeah, it's on there. Aluminum and -- 5 MR. McKENZIE: I've got -- the aluminum is $500 6 more that Corey asked about. We can put in $500 more, and 7 it's this -- it'll be this color here. And this is no -- it 8 will last and last and last. 9 MR. KING: Yeah. I think -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: 500 bucks. And so -- 11 MR. KING: State of Texas makes theirs out of 12 aluminum, probably for a reason. They probably used to make 13 them out of wood. 14 MR. McKENZIE: The other question -- 15 MR. KING: They used to make them out of that 16 particle board. I think they probably figured that out; 17 doesn't work that great. 18 MR. McKENZIE: What is the thought of the board 19 about putting this aluminum on the back as well? Because 20 you're just going to see three pieces of square tubing 21 holding this up. And we can put a piece of aluminum to match 22 this on the back, and put "Welcome to Kerrville," or "Thanks 23 for using our airport," or -- 24 MR. MOSER: Something. 25 MR. McKENZIE: -- whatever we want to put. That 31 1 way it's covered and it looks more professional. 2 MR. WALTERS: Which part is that? 3 MR. McKENZIE: This is what we're going to screw 4 the sign into. 5 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 6 MR. McKENZIE: We put this on the front and the 7 back as well. 8 MR. MOSER: Can I see that? Sixteenth of an inch? 9 MR. KING: How strong is that? 10 MR. MOSER: That's good for that kind of wind load 11 it will get? 12 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. The wind load is 2,400 13 pounds per square foot at 40 miles an hour perpendicular 14 blow. 15 MR. MOSER: Forty miles per hour is not enough. 16 MR. McKENZIE: That was my question I had. I 17 asked -- 18 MR. MOSER: It's not enough, I guarantee you. 19 MR. McKENZIE: He said it's always generally a 20 glancing blow, and it's not -- 21 MR. MOSER: Forget it. That's not true. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 23 MR. MOSER: That's not true. 24 MR. KING: So we need thicker -- 25 MR. MOSER: Go see what the city -- if somebody has 32 1 40 miles an hour, that thing will be down in no time, I 2 guarantee you. 3 MR. KING: Bruce, do this. Go down to the 4 intersection down there at some point and look and see what 5 those state highway signs are made out of. 6 MR. MOSER: Forty miles an hour,-- 7 MR. KING: Those things were made out of 8 probably -- 9 MR. MOSER: -- they'll be gone. 10 MR. KING: They figured this out a long time ago. 11 These are probably 1/8 inch. 12 MR. MOSER: But put some stiffeners behind it, 13 especially if you do something on the back side. 14 MR. McKENZIE: See, it will be on the front and 15 back, both sides of the 4-inch square tubing. 16 MR. MOSER: Tell them you want -- 17 MR. KING: You'd have metal on both sides? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. That was my question. 19 For a little bit more money, we could close that in, and then 20 on the back side put whatever we want to put on the back of 21 the sign. 22 MR. MOSER: You know, when we build hangars, 23 they're good for 90 mile-an-hour, 100 mile-an-hour, so the 24 sign ought to be good for that, correct? 25 MR. KING: What do you make -- where'd Jonathan go? 33 1 MS. HARGIS: He had a phone call. Be right back. 2 MR. KING: Wonder what the County makes theirs out 3 of. Doesn't the County do signs? 4 MR. MOSER: I wouldn't worry about what you make it 5 out of. It's what the requirement is. 6 MR. KING: How thick is it? Those guys -- I mean, 7 if they're made -- 8 MR. MOSER: What you want. 9 MR. KING: You don't want something that's going to 10 sit there and go (hand motion), you know. 11 MR. MOSER: So, design it for 90 mile-an-hour. 12 MR. McKENZIE: These are going to be reasonably 13 close together, be 4-inch square tubing. But we can -- I'll 14 find out. I'll find out. 15 MR. KING: Let's do a little more research on that. 16 MR. MOSER: Just put the requirement at 90 miles an 17 hour or whatever your hangars are. If we're going to put new 18 hangars in, what's the requirement for that? And I think 19 that they require something like 100 mile-an-hour or 20 something like that. 21 MR. KING: I think that's a pretty good idea. 22 Maybe on that sign, you're coming out over here -- the big 23 sign over here on the back, maybe we might still -- are they 24 silk-screening these things? 25 MR. McKENZIE: It's going to be vinyl lettering. 34 1 Lasts a lot longer than the paint does. 2 MR. KING: We might have vinyl letters saying 3 something like, you know, "Thanks for visiting the airport," 4 or thanks -- you know, "Have a nice day." 5 MR. VOGT: Was this -- the businesses that you have 6 listed here -- 7 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, that's current. 8 MR. VOGT: Because these just name places, not 9 necessarily restricting it. Or is this it? 10 MR. McKENZIE: No, there's blanks on there for 11 other businesses. 12 MR. VOGT: For adding? 13 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. 14 MR. KING: Okay. We'll work on that a little more. 15 All right. Item 3, information and discussion, Phase II 16 construction update. 17 MR. McKENZIE: At the last meeting, the Board had a 18 concern about the curve down here by Ronnie's hangars and the 19 ditch. We have now -- I've talked to TexDOT and I've talked 20 to BWR in Kansas City. We have now redesigned that; we've 21 got a set of stamped, approved, and sealed plans to put a 22 guardrail around that entire curve. I talked to TexDOT, and 23 we have it funded, so they all agreed that this was a good 24 move. Nobody fought me on it. 25 MR. KING: Good. 35 1 MR. McKENZIE: From the top to the bottom. So, 2 they said fine, so we're going to -- you'll see that happen 3 in the next 90 days. That should -- should move forward. 4 So, we're still -- and you can see them now; they're still 5 putting hydrated lime. They should finish Wednesday night, 6 when that process is complete. Next week we should begin 7 dumping base material on that subgrade again, and then 8 we're -- you can't tell it, but we're getting down very close 9 to the end of this. We're just -- it's a slow process, 10 building it back up, you know, till we get to where we can 11 pave it. What we are up against now is temperature, ambient 12 air temperature, because of the laying of the mix. It's got 13 to be 50 and rising or we can't lay, and the ground 14 temperature's got to be 40 and rising or we can't lay. So, 15 we're looking at Christmastime. Best laid plans, of course, 16 but we're looking around the week between Christmas and New 17 Year's, but that's what we're shooting for to pave. We'll 18 just have to wait and see what happens. 19 MR. KING: Is the airport still closed at night? 20 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, we stopped that, two weeks 21 ago. 22 MR. KING: Two weeks ago, okay. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Now, there will be one more night 24 closure when we do the connector, A -- Alpha and Bravo. When 25 we do those, they're going to be up next to the runway. 36 1 We're going to make them do that at night so we don't have to 2 close the runway. I plan to -- you know, we have a weather 3 window where we may have to shut that runway down, Joey, for 4 six hours. 5 MR. KENNEDY: Yeah. 6 MR. McKENZIE: I can't -- it's a weather issue that 7 I have no control over. So -- but we're managing that as 8 well. But that's where we are now. The concrete folks are 9 finished. They're going to rebuild the intersection. That 10 will come right at the end as well, and it's moving along as 11 well as can be expected. So far. 12 MR. KING: So we might get out of here by -- 13 MR. McKENZIE: I'm thinking if we get out of here 14 by -- 15 MR. KING: -- February? 16 MR. McKENZIE: -- the middle of February, we're 17 going to be doing really good. He's got till April. He's 18 really rushed it -- not rushed it, but he's been very 19 efficient. Very efficient. 20 MR. KING: Okay. Item 3B, fire flow enhancement 21 project update. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Nelson Lewis Incorporated has 23 finished the production part of this project. All the 24 12-inch water line is in. The bacteria tests have all 25 passed; you know, all the bac-T's have passed. This week 37 1 they're doing all of their new services. Going to do new 2 services, the new fire hydrants. They did the new paving 3 last week in front of your hangar, Corey, and everywhere. 4 They did cuts over at Mooney. All that paving is completed 5 now. They've done all their cleanup. We have one more major 6 shut-down Thursday from 9:00 to 6:00, is when we're actually 7 tying in where we came underneath the runway -- the taxiway 8 when we built it a year and a half ago. We've got -- we've 9 got it valved off. We've got to tie those two valves in. 10 We're going to do that Thursday all day, so the airport will 11 be without water Thursday, 9:00 to 3:00. But beyond that, 12 that will be the last; then we're in. And we should -- 13 they've turned it -- 14 MR. VOGT: How do you notify them? 15 MR. McKENZIE: The fire's already been notified. 16 MR. VOGT: No, I mean how do you notify your 17 tenants? 18 MR. McKENZIE: We e-mail everybody. Everybody 19 knows about it before. A couple of times, we -- this 20 is purely from visual, but we've turned on a couple of 21 hydrants. 22 MR. MOSER: So, you're going to say from 9:00 to 23 3:00, there won't be any -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: We have a schedule out here. Right 25 out here -- 38 1 MR. MOSER: I see. You answered my question. 2 MR. KING: They put signs on the doors over here. 3 MR. MOSER: Yeah, okay. 4 MR. McKENZIE: We've made arrangements for that. 5 MR. MOSER: Okay, got you. 6 MR. McKENZIE: We turned a couple of hydrants on, 7 and the water is voluminous. 8 MR. KING: Really? 9 MR. McKENZIE: Oh, my goodness. But that's -- 10 that's not the test. I've already talked to the fire 11 marshal, and I've got him set up, so when we get complete and 12 he gives -- the contractor says, "I'm through," and we have a 13 walk-through, then we'll do the testing, see if we've got 14 1,500 gallons per minute. 15 MR. MOSER: Good. 16 MR. KING: Is that required? We have to do that? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, we have to have 1,500. 18 That's why we did it. 19 MR. KING: Not going to volunteer any more 20 information than we have to. (Laughter.) 21 MR. MOSER: Oops, it's only 1496. 22 MR. KING: That's what I'm worried about. Do like 23 we've done in the oil field; we have a test -- a test-test, 24 before the test. 25 MR. MOSER: Right. 39 1 MR. McKENZIE: We visually checked it. 2 MR. KING: So there's no embarrassment. 3 MR. McKENZIE: There's a lot of water coming out 4 there. 5 MR. KING: 1492, yikes. Okay, installation of new 6 fiberoptic cable. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Hill Country telephone is installing 8 fiberoptic cable to the airport now. It will service this 9 terminal building, Hangar 1 and the offices there, and Hangar 10 4 and those offices there, as well as our new building up 11 here, our maintenance facility building. We pulled the cable 12 into this building last Thursday, so it's in this building. 13 It's into Hangar 1, and it's into Hangar 4. Now they've got 14 to just put it in down the road down here. That's what 15 they're working on now, but we're -- the buildings are 16 already serviceable. We've pulled all the cable in here. 17 Then we'll have fiberoptic cable for computers; faster, 18 better phone service. 19 MR. MOSER: So, that's internally in the building? 20 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, it came into a closet over 21 there where our electronic building is, so we're in the 22 building now. 23 MR. MOSER: From the closet to your desk? 24 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. Then it comes in the attic 25 and drops down everywhere, yes, sir. 40 1 MR. MOSER: Right. 2 MR. McKENZIE: The fiberoptic, hopefully in the 3 next 60 days, will be completed. 4 MR. KING: Just this building? 5 MR. McKENZIE: No. Hangar 1 as well, and all those 6 offices, and Hangar 4 and all those offices. 7 MR. KING: Really? 8 MR. McKENZIE: And we ran a line -- we haven't 9 dropped the line into our building over there yet, but my 10 plan is to put a computer over there for those guys. But 11 we'll do that in the future. That's not a front-runner item 12 right now. 13 MR. KING: And they'll have the ability to run it 14 to the rest of the buildings around here if anybody needs it? 15 MR. McKENZIE: If anybody builds, we've got 16 fiberoptic on-site. There's fiberoptic that comes up on that 17 side, 'cause we ran it -- we ran this. 18 MR. MOSER: It came along the road out there, 19 Highway -- 20 MR. McKENZIE: Fiberoptic comes down Peterson Farm 21 Road. 22 MR. KING: Brink's building? 23 MR. McKENZIE: Sir? 24 MR. KING: Brink's building? 25 MR. McKENZIE: We can get it. 41 1 MR. KING: We'll have the option to do that? 2 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 3 MR. KING: All right. Okay. Who paid for that? 4 They did? 5 MR. McKENZIE: They did. Cost us nothing. 6 MR. KING: Master plan update. 7 MR. McKENZIE: This morning at 10:30, Perry Havenar 8 from Dallas will be here, Michelle Hannah from Austin will be 9 here, and we will review the master plan. They want feedback 10 from the board about the first working paper, and it'll be a 11 discussion to see where we go, what's next, and we can talk 12 about the parking lot that was brought up earlier and 13 anything else that the board would like to visit about, and 14 the players will be here. 15 MR. MOSER: Good. 16 MR. McKENZIE: 10:30. 17 MR. VOGT: Will we all make that? 18 MR. McKENZIE: We need at least three of you. 19 MR. MOSER: I'm here. 20 MR. COWDEN: I'm here. 21 MR. KING: I'm not. I'm going to Oklahoma, sorry. 22 I got to have a training. 23 MR. McKENZIE: So we have three. 24 MR. WALTERS: I'll be here. 25 MR. McKENZIE: Okay, good. Great. 42 1 MR. KING: But I'll bring over -- give my opinion 2 before I go out. 3 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 4 MR. KING: Okay, what else? Any other updates, 5 Bruce? 6 MR. McKENZIE: Not that I can think of. 7 MR. KING: Well, your mowing guys have done a great 8 job on the airport. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Thank you. 10 MR. KING: I saw them up there mowing. I think 11 they're mowing down to Center Point right now. They were at 12 the corner when I saw them heading south. They're doing a 13 great job. That was a great idea. 14 MR. MOSER: Can we have the 10:30 meeting before 15 10:30? 16 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, it's posted, and they're 17 not here. The folks aren't here yet. Perry's flying in from 18 Dallas; Michelle was coming from Austin, and it's a posted 19 meeting. 20 MR. KING: That's unfortunate. 21 MR. McKENZIE: So we can go look at the signs, if 22 y'all want to, in a few minutes. 23 MR. KING: We might do that, go look at the signs 24 and see where they're at. Yeah, it looks really good. 25 They're doing a great job. 43 1 MR. McKENZIE: Thank you. I'll pass the word, 2 thank you. 3 MR. KING: Really good mowing along those taxiways, 4 and stuff around those lights when you're taxiing in. Okay. 5 No executive session. Motion to adjourn? 6 MR. MOSER: So moved. 7 MR. KING: Seconded? 8 MR. COWDEN: Second. 9 MR. KING: Seconded by Mr. Cowden. All in favor -- 10 MS. BAILEY: I would suggest that you -- if you're 11 going to go up there as a quorum and look at the sign, you 12 probably need to recess so that you aren't violating the Open 13 Meetings Act. 14 MR. KING: All right. Motion didn't carry. 15 MR. McKENZIE: We're just in recess now. 16 MR. KING: All right. We'll recess and go up and 17 look at the signs, under item -- 18 MS. BAILEY: 2E. 19 MR. KING: Item 2E. 20 MR. MOSER: 2E or not 2E. 21 (Discussion off the record.) 22 (Recess taken from 9:17 a.m. to 10:29 a.m.) 23 - - - - - - - - - - - 24 MR. KING: All right. I'd like to reconvene the 25 November 15th meeting of the airport -- Kerrville/Kerr County 44 1 Joint Airport Board. We went -- we discussed Item 2E, the 2 signs; like to move to adjournment. I need a motion to 3 adjourn. 4 MR. COWDEN: So moved. 5 MR. KING: Moved by Mr. Cowden. Seconded by? 6 MR. MOSER: Do we want to say anything about what 7 we looked at or decided? 8 MR. KING: I don't know. 9 MR. MOSER: For the record? 10 MR. KING: I guess we could. For the record, I 11 guess, we -- in reference to Item 2E, we need Bruce to check 12 with the City on the sign ordinance. Sign ordinance. Check 13 with the F.A.A. on 177 -- is that what it's called? 14 MR. McKENZIE: Part 77. 15 MR. KING: Part 77. And check with KPUB on the 16 possibility of electricity out at that other location out 17 there. 18 MR. MOSER: Location to the east of the first 19 proposed -- 20 MR. KING: Right, closer to the highway. 21 MR. MOSER: The main entrance. 22 MR. KING: Check with those three. And then -- 23 MR. MOSER: Look at changing the size of the -- 24 MR. KING: Right. 25 MR. MOSER: -- lettering. 45 1 MR. KING: The cost estimate. What does it cost to 2 increase the size of that lettering? 3 MR. VOGT: Well, the whole sign increased. 4 MR. KING: Twofold at least, I would say. 5 MR. MOSER: Mm-hmm. 6 MR. KING: Twofold at least. Find out what that 7 would cost. Okay. 8 MR. VOGT: I guess one other thing I would add is 9 if, in fact, it -- if Perry looks at it today, a frangible 10 base on that thing might clear us. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 12 MR. MOSER: If you -- not if you put a stone base 13 on it. 14 MR. VOGT: Well, you wouldn't be able to do that. 15 That's not frangible. 16 MR. MOSER: But why would we need frangible? 17 MR. VOGT: Because it would be a Part 77, an 18 imaginary service hitting it with -- 19 MR. KING: If something would hit it. 20 MR. MOSER: Okay. 21 MR. KING: And what else? On that other sign, I'm 22 still not convinced on the second sign that the proper 23 location is in the airport turn -- in the turn. I mean, I 24 just -- I don't know what we're going to do if we add any 25 more businesses and someone builds down here next to Brink, 46 1 and on all that property we have over there. We're not going 2 to be able to get people to that -- to them, unless they come 3 in and go back in and go through. 4 MR. MOSER: See, with this sign, when you go to 5 your new parking area over there, it says "Parking." 6 MR. KING: Right. Right. 7 MR. MOSER: To the left. 8 MR. KING: That's what I'm saying. Like, this sign 9 and everything, I just don't -- this is just my opinion. I 10 just don't understand why the sign -- this sign cannot be out 11 on the road before you turn. 12 MR. VOGT: Or just inside it at an angle. 13 MR. KING: Just where -- yeah, just to tell you if 14 you want to go to ABC Aviation, which has now built a new 15 hangar down here, you go straight to them. If you want to go 16 to Avionics International, you turn left and go down here. I 17 mean, I think another thing we need to address is some of 18 these people need to put signs on their buildings; need to 19 put some sort of small sign on their building so you can 20 identify it. Corey and I were looking at it. If you follow 21 the sign, turn in and follow this sign, and it says go to 22 Avionics International, take a right, they're going to drive 23 down there to the duPerier hangar, going to be driving down 24 there looking at duPerier hangar or Joey's second hangar or 25 Air Evac's, never going to see a sign; they're going to turn 47 1 around and come back, and probably pull in here to the 2 terminal and ask her where they are. 3 MR. VOGT: Since it's not in our minimum 4 standards -- we can put that in our minimum standards very 5 easily, but then it's a cost issue, who pays for it. 6 MR. KING: I think like you used to have on 7 military bases, a small, nice metal sign. I mean, Dugosh 8 needs one up there on the gate up there to identify it. 9 MR. COWDEN: I think it should be borne by -- by 10 the tenant. I mean, if they leave, go, they take their sign 11 off, take it with them. 12 MR. KING: Nothing big. Just talking about a sort 13 a sign that at least identifies. 14 MR. McKENZIE: The Air Evac folks put a sign on 15 their building. 16 MR. KING: Did they? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 18 MR. VOGT: I'm worried about grandfathering the -- 19 Dugosh may be there forever. If they don't want to do it now 20 -- "It's not in my lease." Even if you put it in the minimum 21 standards, you're going to grandfather those. And you don't 22 really want to grandfather them, 'cause you really do want to 23 encourage everybody to do it, so there may be some kind of 24 cost sharing that we can do. 25 MR. KING: And I will -- Dugosh, I'd be willing to 48 1 bear the cost of just putting a metal sign about that tall 2 and about that long (indicating) next to Gate 1. Right next 3 to the Gate 1 sign. 4 MR. VOGT: Yeah. 5 MR. KING: That just says, "Dugosh Aviation." That 6 way somebody driving by -- 7 MR. VOGT: You mean you personally, or the airport? 8 MR. KING: I think the airport can pay for a metal 9 sign, silkscreen or vinyl letters. 10 MR. McKENZIE: Put it on the fence. 11 MR. KING: Yeah, 'cause we don't want people 12 driving around the airport looking for people -- you know, 13 driving all around looking for people. I think it would just 14 be a little easier to find people. I just don't know how 15 this sign is going to help me find Ron Blilie. I mean, Ron 16 Blilie is somewhere in here, and -- well, he's in the 17 terminal. Well, that's where I was going to go anyway, 18 'cause I don't know where any of these other people are. Air 19 Evac. I mean, I just think you're going to find -- I just 20 think you're going to find these people. You don't need to 21 be quite that precise in locating them. That's my personal 22 opinion. 23 MR. VOGT: Then I'd recommend that you have Bruce 24 take a look, contact tenants that would be on this thing, and 25 ask them if they'd have a -- they'd be willing to bear the 49 1 cost or share, one way or another, about putting their own 2 sign up, "Dugosh Aviation," whatever. You know, whatever 3 else. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Just be two, I think. It would be 5 Dugosh and it would be Ronnie Solomon down here, 'cause Air 6 Evac's already got their sign up. Kerrville Aviation's 7 name's on the building now. 8 MR. VOGT: And then we need to make a change to the 9 minimum standards, so we want to have that in our minimum 10 standards. Each building needs to be -- each business needs 11 to be identified by a sign outside. 12 MR. KING: I mean, it's like if someone moves into 13 the B.A. Products hangar, we can put a sign at the front that 14 says B.A. Products Hangar -- you know, it says ABC so-and-so 15 at the front, but once they drive up there, you're not going 16 to know where -- how to find them. It's not going to be seen 17 unless there's a sign on the building somewhere that says -- 18 MR. MOSER: B.A. Products. 19 MR. KING: Or ABC Products. 20 MR. COWDEN: Who bears the cost for putting the tin 21 panels on here? 22 MR. McKENZIE: We do. This is a RAMP grant budget. 23 MR. COWDEN: Okay. 24 MR. KING: This is RAMP grant? 25 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. I've already got it 50 1 approved through TexDOT. 2 MR. KING: Okay. 3 MR. VOGT: That's nice. That's good. 4 MR. KING: Yeah. 5 MR. McKENZIE: Kari Campbell's already sent me the 6 information. 7 MR. KING: Well, why don't you get those -- let's 8 get some estimates on that big sign out there first, and do 9 those other two things, and then we can go a little farther. 10 And we'll just -- 11 MR. VOGT: Put it on the agenda. 12 MR. KING: Next meeting, we're going to have to 13 discuss what your findings are. We'll discuss it at the next 14 meeting. 15 MR. McKENZIE: May I proceed with this one? 16 MR. MOSER: Yeah. 17 MR. KING: Yeah, but get some cost estimates on 18 that. Find out about electricity and find out about the 19 F.A.A. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Got it. 21 MR. KING: And increase the signs in conformance 22 with 177. Exactly. All right. 23 MR. MOSER: Good. 24 MR. KING: Anything else? Okay. Anything else on 25 this idea? Anything else on this agenda? Okay. 51 1 MR. MOSER: Move that we adjourn. 2 MR. KING: Move to adjourn? 3 MR. MOSER: So moved. 4 MR. COWDEN: Second. 5 MR. KING: Okay. He made the motion and Mr. Cowden 6 seconded. All in favor? 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 5-0.) 8 MR. KING: 5-0, adjourned. Okay. 9 (Airport Board meeting adjourned at 10:36 a.m.) 10 - - - - - - - - - - 11 12 STATE OF TEXAS | 13 COUNTY OF KERR | 14 I, Kathy Banik, official reporter for Kerr County, 15 Texas, do hereby certify that the above and foregoing is a 16 true and complete transcription of my stenotype notes taken 17 at the time and place heretofore set forth. 18 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 17th day of November, 19 2010. 20 _______________________________ Kathy Banik, Texas CSR # 6483 21 Expiration Date: 12/31/12 Official Court Reporter 22 Kerr County, Texas 700 Main Street 23 Kerrville, Texas 78028 Phone: 830-792-2295 24 25